Confirmed: Delgado Parker was part of the mafia and negotiated with head Montesinos Cesar Hildebrandt *
return to settle their disputes employer submitted
shamefully
TRANSCRIPT OF VIDEOS nos. 1459 AND 1460 MEETING
DR. - DELGADO PARKER - JOY WAY
7 APRIL 1999
"He appreciates an empty room to the fore a deeper sofa and a plant and a lamp on a table. Subsequently, joined two people talking, Mr. Victor Joy Way Rojas and Mr. Genaro Delgado Parker. At the door is a high-ranking military with a cane in hand, possibly an Army general who heads Mr. Joy Way and says, "I will communicate, engineer, after which he withdrew, leaving the door open.
GENARO DELGADO PARKER
.- We had a busy day, right?
VICTOR JOY WAY ROJAS .- Every day is intense.
DELGADO PARKER. - I was reading things Mufarech life and that are (unintelligible).
JOY WAY .- How do you appreciate, how you appreciate?
DELGADO PARKER. - I have a particular impression (unintelligible).
"Run the tape recording and appreciated Mr. income Montesinos Torres. At this time the door is closed. DELGADO PARKER
.- Doctor, what novelty than taste.
"Mr. Montesinos was shaking hands and exchanging greetings with the two people, after which the 3 sit down.
Vladimiro Montesinos .- Ah? DELGADO PARKER
.- For you I get older.
Not so, for you less over the years. DELGADO PARKER
.- Well, I'm ... I was telling Victor, turns 70 this year. I've always made a joke when I was 65 told the joke. You know that life is like a belt that has 70 small holes, at 70 you can get perky, maybe, but after that was over, it is very difficult to be able to continue a good quality of life.
So I said: Well, I have five years but not five years, for eight hours sleep, eight hours work, so I have a third of five years and that's what I have to care. Do you understand the joke? So, instead of five years I have one and a half, it means that there's really no way.
MONTESINOS .- You are pretty strong. DELGADO PARKER
.- But I am doing well.
JOY WAY .- I commented, the man says he is turning 70. And it seems, I miss him like 60 or 62 and on television when you see it.
JOY WAY .- It is going good life.
DELGADO PARKER. - Yes, the truth is I'm having a good life and I feel good, does not it? I have good health, rather.
MONTESINOS .- Is cholesterol, those things.
DELGADO PARKER - I am a little overweight, but I play tennis, do sports, I have no health problem. But if I did not realize that I have 70 years, I am old, because at 70 I can not follow the same plan I have lived, so I'm starting there to drop a bit.
I was lucky lost my job after 60 years, at age 60 I had some discussions with my brothers, three days they took control of American and said, well, I go.
30 years I've been driving this, because I started the 59, were at 89, thirty years now, since, otherwise, 30 years otherwise. And I started with the phones, sell phones and stuff. I started again, but, then again and not start well.
So I had the luck to change money and find better things. Sometimes you think, is enclosed.
MONTESINOS .- Of course, what you have. DELGADO PARKER
.- Cree than it has the only thing that has done well. And I was right, Doctor, I was fortunate.
But unfortunately my brother could have resigned them did well because they kept the lion's share. at that time, businesses do not work for them. The first television network, the first radio station right?
right, then, how good everything is (unintelligible), no assessment, they believed they had the gift of wisdom. "That is not going to work." Well, I faced my own.
I invited, including Hector and abducted him at a time, at that time the poor Hector abducted him and was therefore seven months, just in time when I on the one hand, (2) performed new business y. .. . MONTESINOS
trading .- And you?
DELGADO PARKER. - and traded all the trips to the kidnappers, because we sat the whole family. We had a committee that was Manuel, myself and two nephews and a son of Hector, who were the committee that negotiated with the kidnappers. We had to make a negotiation that lasted (unintelligible) until he was released.
Meanwhile, I did not had to go with my brothers, but had different views.
We tried the case from time to time. The union of the family at this time was important. And when Hector comes out, I noticed then that Hector had recovered, came from Switzerland. I said, it gives me great pleasure, I do not want to be in this business. I'm bringing other businesses, business of medicine, I'll do other things. Had other plans.
If Hector was present now would not have this problem. Unfortunately disappeared and I have not been lucky enough to find Manuel, say ... I do not want to explain it, are familiar things, it is very difficult. I wrote them a letter.
MONTESINOS .- They?
DELGADO PARKER. - No. Hey, you know I've written a thousand letters, explaining this, but this is the last letter I have written that the people of Bellsouth. Because we in principle, they would have a trial. Rather, here's the full story, four pages.
I started my business in 1989. They never attempted to enter the business, never bought a stock, never wanted to make a contribution, are careful to be very specific and do not want any stranger to that business. Together we and the cable, the cable itself was something we did first. But in this business ... they would not enter. Well, it happened ...
-service personnel interrupted the meeting to offer them a drink. Alan
can not solve "the problem of light in Lima
DELGADO PARKER
.- Well, then. So it just tore. I sent a little note, however, the paper went out alone. But this is not luck because I started this business with very little money, I went to the United States to seek credit in 89, because Peru had the 2% inflation, with bombs falling every day, with blackouts throughout Lima. I climbed the stairs, I went to American when I had my home on the tenth floor of a building there, in Cavenecia having a single lift. It was light, had to climb the 10 floors. I went up saying, Alan Garcia, Alan Garcia . This man can not solve light a problem in Lima, one thing I felt was easy to solve. (Unintelligible) that is suffering like everyone is poor governance. Used to be chaos, a chaos ..
So I went to a convention of phones, I met an American, who were very interested and I said, well, Peru, the bad news is that Peru. I had to begin to talk about that, that the case was interesting. Then he got interested and give me a loan of five million dollars worth of equipment in exchange for giving them the opportunity to purchase 40% of the business.
Then, we plan to buy a million dollars, or we would put a million dollars, they would put 400 thousand. Because I asked, and what is your capital?, Asked me fully, and I have witnesses. Do you know who was the manager?, One which is not much of your sympathy, (3) Mr. Jaime Mur, if he was the manager and I was with him at that time. Employee I spoke to him as manager.
What is your capital at this time? I had about 100 thousand, 150 thousand dollars in business to empower management. But as the depreciation was so rapid, representing at that time said, "Look, at this point if you want, the capital of the company is $ 25, the gringos me watched and laughed, $ 25 is my capital. "
Well, then went to San Francisco, made a contract, signed and well. So what happened? that after a one-year, no-tell - 6 months, the team sent me and sent me the part no. I went to complain and when I went to complaints I got them a couple of trials, they were crooks, then I found out.
was president, he was president a company of 300 million dollars. But he had taken money from the company, which was a public company, to form another company, which was that he had associated with me. And that silver had borrowed.
They
the kicked out of the bank and they tried to surprise me and pushing me to base a trial that I did for 20 million dollars. Then I came here and talked to the Minister of Communications, told him the story, I told him what was going on, do not worry, this does not affect the relationship with the government that led Toledo.
then went back to San Francisco and is, therefore, with a counterclaim for the same amount. Two years later they won the trial, the actions that were lost in the company and then sold all shares.
extra money for a simple equipment that really touched me because they had not paid, the team que me habían prestado se lo debían a Nova Tech, el fabricante, que no se los había pagado, el fabricante se molestó conmigo, me dio un crédito adicional de 10 millones de dólares más y allí seguí metiendo la cosa ¿no? hasta que finalmente yo aquí vendía mis celulares y (Ininteligible) por si acaso necesito un crédito, necesito plata para el anuncio.
Yo le pedí un millón de dólares al Banco de Crédito. Hablé con Dionisio. ¿Qué hago? Entonces, agarré y salí a Nueva York y salí por la primera oferta peruana al mercado internacional en el año 93 y vendí bonos de la empresa, bonos convertibles por 40 millones de dólares. Me los bought in (unintelligible) New York and I came with my 40 million dollars.
teams had requested, had the Nova Tech teams, I bought other equipment, but this all I did in my association with Radio Tele, which was what was licensed, and Radio Tele was the family, most was one of my sisters and the minority of us three. But my brother knew this business and earned the profits began to show from the first year the firm and profits gained and what was sobreutilidades Radio and Radio Tele Tele charged 5% of the profits of Tele 2000.
So if they had been, say, members of Tele 2000 had become have gained here and there right? but never claimed any dividend Tele 2000 or anything because they knew they had actions there.
So he was well aware of this because this contract was signed with the authorization of the board and shareholder approvals and was taken to the Government and the Government authorized him to this association, or whether they had full (unintelligible) well ventilated very transparent.
I signed up for the Stock Exchange, the company signed the stock market has to fill certain requirements to them, because all shareholders have to be submitted, in order. (4)
I joined the Exchange. Of course my brothers were not involved in that. Van de Strous came to Australia and I bought 18% of the business, I paid $ 6 million so I increased the capital and so on. And never, 7 years passed ...
MONTESINOS .- No problem. DELGADO PARKER
.- No problem, meanwhile I had bought the cable because the cable was three, then they told me one day and said we want to sell our share of the cable, because you were so excited this case of telephony and cable fit you because you are like. So I said, "Well, look there is a formula."
How about if I pay them to Tele actions you with 2000? They told me no (unintelligible) I give you both, so, so, so (unintelligible). Recovery which was Manuel de Telecable was that the company was worth $ 6 million, a company that had top-three $ 400 000 the year 90.
In 93 they said it was worth (unintelligible) because they were not interested. Then I formed a Panamanian company and sold the shares of Tele 2000 and with that I bought them, I paid them $ 4 million and came in and we are with other partners (unintelligible) and entered another partner in the firm.
is, that claimed his $ 4 million (Unintelligible). Later I bought his share of Radio Tele for the communications and I paid a million and a half to each, that is, that in 7 years they gained between the two $ 7 million, one million per year business they never did and I did everything. But they wanted to (unintelligible).
Then came the seventh year and the sale was announced at BellSouth, who came here, who spent six months doing the (unintelligible) was produced and then he grabbed a tantrum and said no, you can not do anyone can pay that money from my brother, (unintelligible) are such. Why? Because he said in 1989, memorandum sent me, saying that we (unintelligible).
is the most amazing thing that could happen at a time when I was a commercial success like this, you are selling, which was bringing a major company in the country, was doing a good business, my brothers knew that (unintelligible) Phone (unintelligible), because it then became a trial.
It was the trial and there is opinion of course has just begun to actuate the evidence and are going the first witnesses of course everyone has spoken up for me because the reality is very clear, very easy, (unintelligible) of legal status. So I announced in November a second sale to BellSouth because they need to raise capital.
I can no longer continue at this rate, I have increased two times the capital along with BellSouth, once 20 million, over 20 million, twice I had to have these (unintelligible) million dollars since joining BellSouth, but is complicated to put 150 more and I would play to between 250 to 100. (Unintelligible).
I'm not the size of BellSouth, I can not continue at this rate, I am a man who has a limited life. BellSouth is an international corporation that will last a long time. So we are not partners, but we can keep browsing together in our craft.
Then I convinced him, first, we wanted to do something on credit but the circumstances, the facilities were ruined and then (unintelligible).
finally said, "Well, I'm sorry because without my vote can not raise capital. So for them," I said facilities announced in November. "
Ah, just my brothers had an injunction to prevent Genaro sell its shares because it did not enter and BellSouth will not (unintelligible) but (unintelligible) has an interest (unintelligible) for lack of evidence, had no evidence or against caution because the injunction should have guaranteed at least. (5)
You can not say, "Well, hey you pay me 60 million business" right? because I feel like it. "And the proof?" "No, look, a memo, do not know what ...". That is not a test, a test would be that the trial testimony forward to demonstrate that all of this is true, or else have, therefore, some action or something more concrete.
Nothing. Well, the judge refused.
Well, until then I calm.
But after that the judge has rejected a lawsuit that they have stopped before a jury, sent a letter to BellSouth from a studio in Miami and told him not to do business with me because that is something that can bring consequences to the (unintelligible).
Then, it is that they are beyond the scope of the trial itself which has threatened, ignored an injunction that they have been rejected and passed over and want to do now is damage to a business. And they do not, they do not, then.
So I call him Manuel, who do not speak for since I got the trial and do not talk to him, how I talk to a brother to me gets a trial?
Incidentally, the first action that took him on TV they were gave me.
I formed the television and I gave him some shares to Manuel, and he is the one that gets me trial. I say, okay, but not talk to him, I can not talk to him.
Then, I call it, however, this Sunday, I live in Miami and say, "Hey, I heard you were in Miami and I'm calling to tell you the following: You've got me a trial, which I never have done with a brother. I would look for a solution, a way to compositeur or arbitrator, anything, but had never gone to trial. But you've wanted to get me a trial. Well, I have not said anything, just I expected the consequences.
But now you have sent a letter to BeIlSouth and you've hurt me, and that's a blunder on your part. So I'm going to have to defend myself I have to say, publish my truth-which I did not want to do until now, defending my point of view and my honor, my honor as a serious business man, that I have done this in a very clear and very transparent. And besides that, I'll have to bring a lawsuit for damages, and you have already sixties, and I have seventy, we will be a couple of old 'assholes' that we will devote ourselves to get us these trials point in life, that's what will happen Why? Because you stubbornly wear this.
So I suggest that if you have any idea what is good for you and that is business for me, look for a solution, because this is going to fall worst what you believe, that is, this is not so easy, rub a brother because, because he wants and without any basis. "
" In the judiciary I have no luck ... "
So there ended the conversation and each took his side. He has gone out, I hope that when I return I will sit at a table and I'll try to find solutions, because I realized that the power Judicial I have no luck, because passage through customs and then I fall. (Laughter.)
So I said, "Well, here you can not go to the judiciary because I have to settle with people, I have no other choice.
How I can go to the Judiciary when every time I go out there pam! give me my shovel?
So I'm scouring.
So that's why I come here, Victor, to say, and cry my troubles and say, "Look, dammit, as a cry of old."
I think I have done anything in the country, right? some things. I was fortunate to participate in the birth of the Peruvian television and the emergence of cable and cellular telephony, which is just an activity.
The other day I called, yesterday or before yesterday, Winter has called me to tell reporters that his team has found that I am an entrepreneur I've done something for communications, who wants to pay tribute to century entrepreneurs do not know what else, and if I accept.
I said, "Well, hopefully not in the program Magaly."
(Laughter.)
He said: "No, no." But I went into the channel (unintelligible) told him. Then, "Well," she says. Well, "I say, but heck, as ...". (6)
then went to tell, then, my sorrows and tell Victor, "I have at this time a boat, a yacht, a yacht boy, is 80 feet, has 5 bedrooms with bathroom. But it has little range because it has a lot ... " . In other words, you can do 500 miles, can not do more.
I've been to Majorca, that was this past summer. Is then stored in a place called Palma Club de Mar Club de Mar is in the Navy and has 2 000 500 "sleeps."
JOY WAY-(unintelligible).
DELGADO PARKER "So, there you go by car because otherwise ... 2 000 500 boats are moored in the bay of Palma.
I go in May to take my vacation there right? And, of course, invite my friends.
When they want is the ship has a captain and is an Egyptian captain. I call and say, "foo goes, You Treat It." Then he immediately takes two people, a waitress and a sailor, and goes for a walk where you want my guest.
MONTESINOS .- Sure.
DELGADO PARKER. - But I'm for those things. I do not want to fight me, I do not want to keep fighting.
I have always liked journalism, but since then. To do journalism is to go at 8 am and leave at 12 at night. A little you know.
MONTESINOS .- Sure. DELGADO PARKER
.- You like your job. (Unintelligible) conclude until 5 am. That's when one likes the thing.
But when one is old that I have, I remarried, I have another life, I'm happy and calm.
is, what it means, brother, moreover, that this man who has always been a good friend has been launched, then, the premiership and quite possibly greater things, is not it?
So, I have said, well, I so far have more tuning issues, to seek, to start a new activity, I had, I was at 13 because I lost the points Bureau (Pantel).
Just another wrong business (unintelligible), they could not handle, were treated with (unintelligible), it is filled with debt. And instead of doing a good negotiation have made a bad bargain.
So I do not know what else has in American do not know, have made a mess. I do not know if I am a partner, how much I have, how to me. I know it was 40%, now I do not know where I am.
I do not know what's happening in Radio programs, do not know what's happening in south, because they are businesses that I have formed.
JOY WAY .- You are a member also of Radio Programs? DELGADO
PARKE R "Sure, I had ...
Look, the company is well, this company is called DELPARK, society of the three brothers. DELPARK owns Pan American, Radio Programs and south.
I had 40%, Hector was about 40% and 20% Manuel, that was the society. Why did Manuel younger than me and why had less to Hector? Because the company I formed myself, not how my father, says Manuel, the way I company.
And when I formed I handed actions Hector, who had formed me because we were partners with my brother Hector yes we were partners, and Manuel I gave him a 'sliver'. And another bit I gave it my dad, he did not want to receive it.
You know how I formed the television? Television I more or less with this: no money, that is, I went, I worked in radio, first started at age 18 on a radio station called Radio Callao, with a partner named Fantoni.
"I told you if Fantoni? Fantoni was an Italian who lived near the house, which had a blond baby girl named Saby. Saby's mother was named Kamalich, was a Yugoslav.
The old Fantoni, us, young, 18 years, I pitched him the business and together they rented Radio Callao. We spent some time there, we did not like, we liquidated the company, we will refund your money the old and we got into Radio Liberty.
Freedom In Radio went very well for Hector and me and we were like 4 years. At that time my dad had his first season itself, which was Radio Panamericana. Called us to go (7) to work with him and we told him: "Dad, we do not want to be employed, we are entrepreneurs, we have our business. So we put a management company, you have your shareholders 50%, and 3 of us the other 50%." So get to work.
2 years after I tell them: "You follow me paying the salary, because I had married, and I'm going to bring the transmitter how? Not worry, I will act."
Then I left because my team was (unintelligible) Marsano theater had been aware they were taking a Pepsi factory (unintelligible) station in Barranca. Then I said: "I'm going to buy the transmitter." And I made a contract to purchase this television transmitter, until then (unintelligible) the Japanese did not exist, had not yet come, we are talking thus, the year 56, 57.
So I signed the contract which is not .., to pay in 4 years, the purchase was 15% in cash and 4-year term, was Prado's time, I was entering an economic stability.
So I say, "Well, we're going to put a clause in the contract which, for each TV you sell, I'm going to give me $ 50.
I accepted the clause and when I took the contract Hire said: "I have (unintelligible)." These $ 50 por televisor proyecté en 4 años, hice un cuadro y separaba (ininteligible), según lo que yo creía que iba a ser la devaluación en ese momento.
Entonces, ahora cabe un socio, entonces fui buscando un socio, tenía al señor Heredia de Pepsi Cola, que era un socio (ininteligible) escogí un contrato de medio millón de soles y yo aporté mi contrato (ininteligible). Ésa fue la sociedad con Panamericana.
En cuanto a las acciones que me tocan dije: "Bueno, del 50%, un tercio le voy a dar a mi padre, un tercio a (ininteligible) socio de la radio y como Manuel estaba de 22 años en ese momento (ininteligible) yo le voy a regalar (ininteligible) y así se formó.
That's why (unintelligible) is my father, any longer, as he did not want the presidency divided the shares among the 3 equal parts, then (unintelligible).
The military government
But that's how the company is formed. So what I'm saying is that Manuel has (unintelligible) happily gave you no actions, I never thought that (unintelligible) Federico Barreto (unintelligible) this dumb (unintelligible) joined the group after I put myself in Radio Programs Peru, (unintelligible) with Pepe Crousillat . Pepe y Manuel Crousillat Radio Programas del Peru did, then when did the military government and expropriated for 71, 51% of the shares and general called me and told me Meza Cuadra called us one by one right? and said, "You manage the business as you want, the business do what you want, you have the 49, but for business you have what you want, but the political side we handle ourselves." This general (unintelligible) I think we'll make good company, I said, I have decided to choose my wife and my partner, stick with one hundred percent.
I told Pepe: Let's go to Buenos Aires, jump off the radio and come with me to do television. From there we went and made productions (Unintelligible), we have productions of the time right? Now, I've been out of the country 9. At age 9, when Morales Bermudez called the Constituent, I went back and started working to get my capital. Hence, when American recovery, I hear that Radio Panamericana 25% was expropriated by the government and that he had received the money.
Then, the famous minister, how was it called?, Prime Minister (8) Belaunde, said: "(unintelligible)." So for me it was a ... I said, "Look, I have not been up there for not being a member of the Government and I support it now." Then I saw the rules and State regulations Associates said, was that which had at least 25%, were entitled to have phone or cable, that is, had a license, 82's got, that is, the misfortune became a favor, and that is allowing us later ...
MONTESINOS .- Continue operating. E1
Hildebrandt message is harmful
DELGADO PARKER .- That is the great story of (unintelligible) a little faster.
So now the season begins again on television, to do the programming, an unlikely (unintelligible). So this last year and what he had. But I
decided, after (unintelligible) of the Government, not to (unintelligible) and I say well, I know that, say, for several reasons: first, because this election is a month, very difficult, I do not think that ( unintelligible) good, but what sells Hildebrandt is basically a formula rather of opposition and (unintelligible) this is not (unintelligible). So I can not endorse one thing I do not think it is. It's okay to be a good journalist, who has a good message, which says interesting things, but his message is a bad for (intelligible) okay?
do not want to announce yet, but I will announce soon, meanwhile, can not move, can not leave while you have to pay a fine for breaking large contract. It is like $ 700 000 should you have to pay. So he's very still, crying, saying, pushing, trying, but can not. And I do because I have an absolute conviction that the time is not (unintelligible).
When I put it in the air I had not anticipated (unintelligible), but now I realize that (unintelligible) a line because it is very manipulative and of course it has its own line and able to tell any lie (unintelligible ) was saying that I had done something he had done, I was just telling me that I had made to suspend its program I (unintelligible). Sure he was in Miami and I was not aware. Indeed, that night I was still talking to Jaime Baily, that night at my house, I had invited James to dinner. Miami Jai is eating me all night and about 12 of the night was making me decide that I said: "What has happened to Hildebrandt's program last night?" And it had not been out because the transmitter was gone from the air (unintelligible). Fortunately
that and, say, was a rupture between us. (Unintelligible), then that's what I expressed to him and say further that I put at your disposal and want to help channel in everything we can so that this editorial is, say, the best, most successful and most promising for the country.
I want to go a little and watching, searching for an economic formula to solve the basic problem of the maintenance company, but I want to go out.
I have two things, yes, before I go finish my business with BellSouth (9) in a way, say, normal, and, if possible, try to defend my percentage Panamericana. Because it's not my , this percentage is of my children and something that I had left.
is a minority of 40%, but that falls to me then I do not know what will that. But I know that I can win in court without Customs. With Customs no, because that yes, I know I can not. Yes, that is not no way.
Because, well, the idea is to ask you for some understanding in this matter, because you know the story. Who knows, in my life I have done, I am a person who has worked and then look for a solution now.
No I do not mean that I want to scrub my brothers, is not. On the contrary, my brothers for me has been a source of pride, affection and as you see have won silver with me always, have done well, have undersold businesses have saved money. I do not know what will be, then.
I have never said, never told me how much you have sold Schütz. They could not have sold without Schütz offer me.
MONTESINOS .- You had the right of preference. DELGADO PARKER
.- Total right of preference, but I have made Chinaman to the trials. And, of course, I won them all trials at first instance, but when I get to the office where I lose the trial.
So are phrases that do not tell me, is the phrase that says my lawyer, said: "But, Genaro, then I can not do more."
I can not do anything.
JOYWAY .- Putting out money to that button all your stuff. DELGADO PARKER
.- No, really comes out red, no green.
JOY WAY .- Open the suitcase.
DELGADO PARKER- No money.
(laughs). DELGADO PARKER
- Well, it says do you realize what? You know there has always been in the judiciary has always been a bit of corruption. So sometimes one has done, because it has always been that, is something that some judges are turned, but with this there is nothing twisted, the better.
just up from the first trial that is me, who is my lawyer, Dr. De Trazegnies , of \u200b\u200bcourse, began this trial before he was minister.
Then, have already appealed to a resource called friendly appeal of the car, throw it right? And where has gone? The Third Chamber.
Who are the ...? Aguado, Barrera, I and P 'the devil! But the same thing. Right now they're gone (unintelligible). Then Chack! I'm there.
I scrubbed, I have no way out. I have two issues, this ...
MONTESINOS .- ... and the Bellsouth. DELGADO PARKER
- And Bellsouth which is a glaring issue, because no evidence of my contracautela to stop a strong case right?
is very strong, is a matter While sensational, is an outrage reportable.
And the other point that I would negotiate with me, to recover most but not the minority, which is what is mine by 30 years of work.
MONTESINOS .- This is what De Trazegnies. DELGADO PARKER
.- That is not Trazegnies.
Want to give you the data?
- DELGADO PARKER awarding Mr. Montesinos Torres some notes in small roles. DELGADO PARKER
.- This is all the data, here are the five, hence it is inseparable.
Do you remember that conversation we had long us, I told him I had to put together a little television companies (10) of cable, if this taking money that was to make use of television to help this government. This is what we talked about us. What happens is that they changed things in life and I (unintelligible) but will have to be done, because it is in Peru (unintelligible) are going to have to gather in two groups.
I at this point I quite agree with Pepe Crousillat, like (unintelligible) my friend. It's a good boy, is a man of great merit, after I returned to expropriate in Argentina, but not to me but to all television, was stranded in Argentina, but began to move forward, and began to work and has much merit, learn a job, he says teacher to me, but he is not (unintelligible).
has a tendency to spend much, wants to be a producer, imperative, wants to sell worldwide and sell his novels very well in Spain are happening in Mexico as well. Well, what I did before in the 60's, he's doing in these years, shoot with modern technology, with a series of changes, and I'm partnering with him to co-produce something and make a business and which will continue coupling a bit mysterious and I have relations with the 9 and then suddenly we sit three to market together the topic of television, economic on the one hand and better. We are having a tough time all channels because, well, companies are (unintelligible) and secondly I am also subject to the same. Beer Pilsner Glass or goes. Romero's business and then bought The Manufacturing Nicolini bought and they are all mergers that do we have, just Inka Kola associated with Coke. The first edition is going to work on advertising 75%. There are a number of things when I know that (unintelligible) will be stronger company, but by the time required. We have to do the same, raise a little money for (unintelligible) but I do not because everything has its purpose and its time. I'm looking for a solution or with Antena 3, a group that has gone to the question of the production structure but separate Telefonica Telefonica. In other words, are the same group but separate companies, very scary. There may be a solution, the other to look for (unintelligible) I do not want to sell, no pressure. Move on the customer, with success. The programming we (unintelligible) is very good and the level of (unintelligible)
MONTESINOS .- A level is going to (unintelligible).
DELGADO PARKER. - Yes, I have given the scope and two or three things and be able to (unintelligible).
MONTESINOS .- Crousillat. DELGADO PARKER
.- The most we have done with O Globo, but just like that we (unintelligible) an interesting night, but I have, are paying me, where BellSouth is paying me of what I paid I paid with cable television, or cable TV'm doing but I had a cable TV project of making a phone company, new, create a number of things on the Internet, and so on. (11) can do many things, but and who makes the years.
At least, I can have the Telecable, but who gets the money. I can put the money, who makes the years.
MONTESINOS .- And life goes.
DELGADO PARKER. - I just remembered the joke that made him the big Villarán to Banchero. When Banchero had the "e", the big Villa was the director, and then Banchero said to him I do not want Internet newspaper, this newspaper is popular, I want a serious newspaper of opinion, I want a newspaper like El Comercio. Then the fat man said, I do El Comercio. You put the money and you put the 125 years.
MONTESINOS .- It does not expect anything. DELGADO PARKER
.- In this case he came back, because you have the desire to do, take the time to do and pursue that.
Then there is a group of people who are also interested in cable and wants to occupy.
So who knows how to reach an agreement in the coming weeks, so this and (unintelligible) to another group as a financial move, you join a competitor for more market. It is part of the benefits that can be user today. It has many offers to choose from.
So you heard enough of me.
MONTESINOS .- Precisely, I have to admit its point of view (unintelligible), to denounce all this process, we will be very objective about it. DELGADO PARKER
.- I am going to leave the little letter (unintelligible) because this is the story from the point of view.
MONTESINOS .- One of the problems, objectives of a personal, family, business, etc.. And, obviously, to get this, we have been told you have a disability as you call it "Customs." DELGADO PARKER
.- Yes, sir.
MONTESINOS .- So we know the objectives and also have a at least a little problem because you have signed. DELGADO PARKER
- So I'm not going to take that action, I come because I had already decided.
MONTESINOS .- So let's give a hand to another hand.
DELGADO PARKER .- Thank you nobility, because you do not have to give me no hand, because I'd already decided the same. I'm not going to make Hildebrandt, and have the thing you know?
So if you do it is because you are a noble person.
MONTESINOS .- We're doing because we've talked to Victor and we have always believed in you, you have to be honest. We hurt a lot, it's because I talked Hildebrandt with you when I told him. And no one ever called him. DELGADO PARKER
.- Nobody called me.
MONTESINOS .- Never.
DELGADO PARKER. - No, no, never. Each time (unintelligible) Hildebrandt want freedom. No, señor, acá hay una gran libertad.
JOY WAY.- Ni siquiera en los momentos, más bien estábamos jugándonos unas cosas terribles como el tema del Ecuador, y antes incluso hasta lo del Japón estamos, es una crisis. Nosotros, todos tratando de salvar vidas. Y él todos los días ¿no? (ininteligible) y casi, casi nos voltean (ininteligible).
DELGADO PARKER - (ininteligible) en la guerra yo tuve que salir, no sé si usted se acuerda, yo tuve que salir a la pantalla y decirle: Yo no estoy de acuerdo contigo...
MONTESINOS .- (ininteligible) es que usted es una persona que siempre ha tenido buenas relaciones con la Fuerza Armada, inclusive you gave your box Bolognesi, I remember a lot. DELGADO PARKER
.- Of course, if you still got cellular system in the war.
MONTESINOS .- This is Cenepa. DELGADO PARKER
.- When there were no communications. The first force that communications had caught us without a team.
MONTESINOS .- Yes.
Well, however, for example, note, following the departure of this man, there was a situation (12) that was never visible, but upset by the departure of this man, not so much because he went out but ongoing systematic attack by the armed forces, saying they are not professionals, who have lost the war, they are powerless, that the generals are incompetent.
And then that the officer has caused a very large rejection has generated a (unintelligible) that it has never been shown, that may have reached the ears or has not reached the ear. I do not know. DELGADO PARKER
.- No. I do not have to say that, all that I know, all that I have suffered.
MONTESINOS .- But yet, nobody ever picked up a phone and said, don Genaro, hear you have this problem, nothing. Endure all silent. DELGADO PARKER
.- I know. I never said. So every time I asked someone: in the country there is absolute freedom. Mr. Fujimori has never said or commanded to say anything, and this program can not attack more, because if there is a program that (unintelligible) things that this man has told Fujimori are not possible. MONTESINOS
.- For example, note. DELGADO PARKER
.- When Fujimori says he is a Democrat, who is a dictator, I say, gosh, I do not know what civilian President would have allowed this. Can not afford, or I stick a trial last.
MONTESINOS. - Yes, of course (unintelligible) as you yourself said (unintelligible).
DELGADO PARKER - No, but it's done well. So I say, I'm glad this reunion, Dr. . MONTESINOS
.- (unintelligible) you and stuff, but what has already happened, and ran a lot of water under the river and do not ever look to the past, we continue forward. I think in that sense, you have to look up things and not holding grudges. We have never kept grudges even though I have been a person who has attacked more Hildebrandt. DELGADO PARKER
.- You, of course, Hildebrandt has done his (unintelligible).
MONTESINOS: And yet, I never I answered, I have (unintelligible) letter, it did not cost me anything to go stand at the door of the canal and threw two punches like a man and that was that (unintelligible) not to sue or anything like that. DELGADO
.- Sure.
MONTESINOS .- But what annoyed me was how incredibly destabilizing to the Armed Forces. For example, on the issue of Zanatta we raised a scandal like the kick, based on a doctored photo and mounted, meaning we have four or five months of work to try to prove that it was a hoax.
So much energy spent on a problem that we are living in permanent war with Ecuador, have to devote 24 hours almost 10 days or 12 hours to address this problem, which were necessary to solve a national problem which committed the 24 million Peruvians and that we unfortunately have to. Why? Because otherwise it would produce a crisis within the military. But fortunately we have overcome the problem and never (unintelligible).
DELGADO PARKER .- It is remarkable how during the survey survey people in the polls two months ago people were against the solution with Ecuador.
MONTESINOS .- But now (unintelligible).
DELGADO PARKER .- Now is backwards. For the good things people (unintelligible).
MONTESINOS .- recognizes. DELGADO PARKER
.- But certainly the fact that he is not on the screen has also contributed.
MONTESINOS .- But that's obvious, it is undeniable that (unintelligible).
So, look, we're going to do here, we will help in good faith and we need you we will ensure that no one hundred percent on the issue of the (unintelligible). DELGADO PARKER
.- OK, there are two ways to do it.
First, the guarantee is given, I am not able to go find him, because no one has called me, I've been looking and I've come to say (unintelligible) to say something, sir, that is, it will be absolutely fulfilled because they were.
But the question is how I do. "What I can announce publicly or I can, say, to delay the announcement? As you wish, that depends on the strategy you want.
Say, I have a contract with Hildebrandt for which I I can take or terminate the contract giving him 10 days notice and I have to compensate.
MONTESINOS .- In addition, as you said (unintelligible) to remove him from office.
DELGADO PARKER .- Oh no, of course, I'm paying. Now, I can have it signed (13) and continue to pay, I pay $ 20 000 per month and I can continue paying so they do not have to go, because if he goes and if he breaks the contract has to give me $ 750 000.
MONTESINOS .- How long is the contract? DELGADO PARKER
.- Until the end of this year or up to 99.
MONTESINOS: Until the end of the century, 2000 is the end of the century. DELGADO PARKER
.- not the end of the century. Then, up to 99 have a contract.
I ask you because you have more projection on that, I do not care. I'm leaving tomorrow, I save $ 20 000 and I say, gentlemen, Hildebrandt contract has ended, we decided not to continue.
Which more or less it will tell when we announce the new schedule, because when you feel the new schedule and will know it is going to come at night, when he sees that is not going to jump to the ceiling. That will be a roundabout way of saying it.
MONTESINOS .- Sure.
That strategy, let you think 24 hours. DELGADO PARKER
.- Sure.
MONTESINOS .- OK?
DELGADO PARKER .- You tell me, so I say, you choose. I for one glad I can go on paying, it does not cost you nothing, absolutely that's my problem. I did the problem, I fix it, that is, that I decide everything.
If you want to let him go the next day for me, bam, good night, they go home, you are leaving.
think MONTESINOS .- Leave it 24 hours and that I will talk. DELGADO PARKER
.- You remember when was the last sentence that ended the program: "Present your candidacy," he said.
MONTESINOS .- Yes. And now (unintelligible) submitting the nomination.
DELGADO PARKER .- Do not think that's going to be easy.
JOY WAY .- You made that word famous, everyone will say: "We submit your application just."
MONTESINOS: That day the rate was the shoes (unintelligible). DELGADO PARKER
.- I figured that was the line.
JOY WAY .- That is all that is scandal (unintelligible).
DELGADO PARKER - But I think he told me a lawyer friend of mine, whose relative he is a psychiatrist or psychologist and try to Hildebrandt. He said his uncle, his relative had told him that it was possible that day Hildebrandt had two seeds for more.
So, it seems that he takes pills for stress, to lift your spirits. I do not know if they will be imported, the kind that are widely used in U.S. I do not know what was wrong, but two more seeds because it was too high.
MONTESINOS .- I was very proud, happy you have dropped, as they say, "old rooster kills with the wing."
DELGADO PARKER .- Well, the matter is that it is now. You tell me what they want and that is done. (to see this piece go to page "
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MONTESINOS .- It was perfect. So that we talk tomorrow.
.- DELGADO PARKER You call me and say, look, let's do it, stay there in the company a couple of months or five months or ten months, whatever.
MONTESINOS .- It was perfect.
R. Delgado Parker - O that will be tomorrow.
MONTESINOS .- Right. DELGADO PARKER
.- He will find out when we say that ten at night or is a novel, or is another program.
MONTESINOS .- When will that be.
DELGADO PARKER - That'll be next week.
MONTESINOS .- So with this information we will make a (unintelligible).
DELGADO PARKER. - I'm waiting just, because I have to make the announcement.
Montesinos. - So that's why tomorrow is Thursday, tomorrow we can meet at night and there and give it our concept of the subject and you make the announcement (unintelligible).
DELGADO PARKER. - Okay.
MONTESINOS: So, I think it is defined.
Turning to another subject, because you have two problems, good points, because you have any number of trials.
DELGADO PARKER .- Yes, I was filled with trials, old I was filled with trials. You know I previously had a trial, a minute and come here, how is that, the arrangements in two minutes and I did not have trials. But old I was filled with trials, I'm full of trials.
MONTESINOS. - On the first of the interim injunction in the fact was dismissed at first instance, but as you mentioned two names here and here is the resolution I do not know if you know, the day 30 where the overturned and ordered the court to award the interim.
DELGADO PARKER .- Yes, yes I remember.
MONTESINOS: It is by day 30. Then as you talked to Victor and told me the case, what we have endured o.
DELGADO PARKER .- Thank you very much.
I want to say one thing, the OPA, which is the public offering will start on Friday Bellsouth. (14)
MONTESINOS .- That's right. So let's take this notice to give oxygen to you to handle that. "Okay?
DELGADO PARKER .- Okay. It is very important.
MONTESINOS .- Well. Already signed and ready to back down but we endured. DELGADO PARKER
.- Yes I know because I saw the copy.
MONTESINOS .- Then we will take this notice, while you tell us now, now, okay? So is the first action.
DELGADO PARKER .- The other parties take 10 days.
MONTESINOS .- You will now be faster.
DELGADO PARKER .- No, but the speech rules are 5 weeks.
MONTESINOS
.- (unintelligible)
DELGADO PARKER .- I do not know why (unintelligible), I think one thing (unintelligible) it never ends.
MONTESINOS .- Let's take as long as possible (unintelligible) to the (unintelligible), so you have the ability to handle this. Already?
DELGADO PARKER .- Okay.
MONTESINOS .- So that's a first step.
The second phase of this anyway, must come down at some point, either within a month or within 20 days, either within 10 days, will go down to court, right? Then, as this is a mandate from the supreme authority the judge has that ignoring the mandate of the first instance. But ignoring the mandate of the first instance does not mean that access to what you're asking the other party.
I have here the letter of Manuel I, do you know him?, With everything he asks.
DELGADO PARKER .- Yes, yes.
MONTESINOS: With six or seven petitions.
Then, we will reach an agreement with you that these 6 how do you want to go. You tell me the point you want it that way, the point two want it that way, the three that we reject, the four that is so. In short, it will coordinate with you. Okay?
DELGADO PARKER. - Perfect.
MONTESINOS
.- Because the court could not say no to consider this issue because there is a mandate. DELGADO PARKER
.- Okay, no problem.
MONTESINOS .- So that was coordinated with you and you say: Look here, for example, say I put 60 million, then the judge can tell me that 60 is apparently a lot and I put 6. By telling is not it, it occurs to me, because the point of order.
DELGADO PARKER .- Of course, I could say is that disfigure me that and I put a contracautela equivalent to 60 million, right?
MONTESINOS .- Therefore, the shape ...
DELGADO PARKER .- Because if you put 60 million guarantee I stop business.
MONTESINOS .- Therefore, there are ways to handle this, we have ways.
DELGADO PARKER .- You know you can not stop at a business without putting a guarantee, because it can (unintelligible).
MONTESINOS .- Yes, but you know how to have that ... may be, it can be. The advantage is that we talk with you ... DELGADO PARKER
.- Perfect, thank you, I (unintelligible). Montesinos
.- How do you want, then you go and study the latter part of the petitions and you tell me, Vladimir, I need look like this in this way.
Now, obviously, as it is called this, that in little something I have to agree with him somewhere else to ...
DELGADO PARKER .- But I can give the reason (unintelligible). This is very simple, when you ask something has to give evidence right? No evidence, that to be (unintelligible). Yes or no?
MONTESINOS .- Sure.
DELGADO PARKER .- As elementary as that. Bring a bank guarantee in the amount of what you pay and pay, sir, (unintelligible). We give you the reason.
The other not because you can not do is a transaction or you want me to do a transaction here in the (unintelligible).
MONTESINOS .- No, no, no. We will to handle this issue.
DELGADO PARKER .- For the transaction I want to do otherwise. Look, I'm going to sit with my brother, this is a problem, I will tell you that for me is very important. My brother is looking to have an extortion of money because you get money.
(unintelligible) and what I want is to vindicate my good name, I do not think he can tell me this is it, then, what I need is to have a serious recognition that this is not true.
And then I can give some commercial advantage, buy this, is crazy to sell land at a price not worth it, pay it, is expensive.
MONTESINOS .- But why, then, ...
DELGADO PARKER .- I know what he wants brother, I will, therefore, some concessions, we give away the actions that I have in the South, right?. I'll give you something, but I will not, give away something.
MONTESINOS .- But the issue is with the stop notice will give you the oxygen so you can talk to him. DELGADO PARKER .-
course.
tomorrow or is that (unintelligible), because I want to reach a settlement, I return to a normal family. I do not make anything in a fight with everyone.
MONTESINOS .- Sure. Then we stopped the issue of ...
JOYWAY .- Now, the important thing, Genaro, is not to mention any of this.
MONTESINOS .- What we are discussing these things clearly. The reserve is the first condition.
JOY WAY .- No one should know why ...
MONTESINOS .- But there are wound susceptibilities .
JOY WAY .- No one should know.
DELGADO PARKER .- No, that of course. (15) I would be the least likely to talk about it. I do not suit me at all.
MONTESINOS .- No because obviously they do not want to have problems with it, you are a friend of Victor, and so on.
DELGADO PARKER .- That's the idea, you You know, brother, he gets along very well with the President. I mean, I do not want, I do not like to bother anyone. What may be is not (unintelligible) but are good people and can ask anything. Thing to be true ...
MONTESINOS .- Sure.
JOYWAY ROJAS (C90-NM) .- When you told me that night I talked with Vladimir there was evidence, credibility and a situation you have, well, the reason, and especially at the point you said that our mission is to search final solution. And that's the best, the most suitable. And we do not want us is to earn enemies.
DELGADO PARKER .- But for now, tell me percent percent of this. I does not speak it and of course (unintelligible).
JOY WAY ROJAS (C90-NM) .- We, our interest is something that may seem a bit quixotic, but (unintelligible), we have peace.
DELGADO PARKER. - No, I am a transparent man, besides the fact that you I are receiving, knowing that I am at the moment with a problem in the (unintelligible), I would appreciate it and of course this will not be mentioned. None of my talks will be mentioned this.
MONTESINOS .- This is going to translate simply into action. The notification's endured, you will tell him go and let go. (Making gesture of a phone call)
.- DELGADO PARKER Okay.
MONTESINOS .- Okay.
is the first point. You, go quiet today.
DELGADO PARKER .- This is very important, I have a precaution, because too as I have my tricks, I have an injunction that has come out these days saying, Mr. Genaro Delgado Parker, President of la la, la, la , la, do not bother, or teased, or remove him or anything like that while, because this is the beginning of my trial on damages. I trial on damages do not think well.
MONTESINOS .- It is only ...
DELGADO PARKER .- I do to negotiate with my brothers. And say, hey, look, buddy: You've put me this trial, I'll put this one. So you see that thou hast made me a trial, I am the only one receiving the trial right? You also have yours. So sit down and negotiate.
That's it. This is the only strategy of mine, so I did a week ago. (Unintelligible) So, we're going to sit and I'm going to find a solution, because in it are my sisters, two, old like me, a little younger than me, are of course on my side and are very painful that Manuel has done this with me, but my sisters, they are mostly in TV and radio are the ones that supported me throughout this business, are the most (unintelligible) with me and have taken very good advantage of this business because I have given away, because my sister has touched each 4 million 200 thousand U.S. dollars of business. Is not that right? So have all come out making money.
should be happy. Well, then, the ambition is not limited to certain people they do not correspond to their interests.
I will find solutions. I know where the shoe pinches.
MONTESINOS .- Sure. DELGADO PARKER
.- For that we are brothers.
MONTESINOS .- Logic.
DELGADO PARKER .- I know where the shoe pinches Manuelito, then I'm going to try both to be happy, especially with Manuel is not it, is my younger brother and I have him fondly. (Unintelligible) And he said: "What happens is that you missed Genaro generosity." A Conchudo is a Conchudo is.
MONTESINOS .- Those brothers (unintelligible).
DELGADO PARKER. - Well then, I'll fix. So let's do something friendly and my sisters will really help this ...
MONTESINOS .- The reconcile.
DELGADO PARKER. - I want to be together and do something nice and meet my 70 years this year in peace. (16)
MONTESINOS .- When do you turn?
DELGADO PARKER .- In November, I have time.
So is not it? So, that's my goal and you will help me a lot with that.
JOY WAY .- And look for the summer on all sides.
MONTESINOS .- And look for the summer on all sides. DELGADO PARKER
.- No, but each time they go to Spain right? because next year I will bring it over here too. When falling out there already know, I have to be me, you let me know, I'm going to (unintelligible) and I send the boat is very nice.
I have found (Unintelligible), is a great place, there, I met him but when he was Prime Minister was Valle Riestra because he has an apartment there.
MONTESINOS .- Of course, you have an apartment.
DELGADO PARKER. - Then, I learned from the newspapers Mallorcan was he at this point in the (unintelligible), did not see it but I know he was nearby.
MONTESINOS .- Just last year.
DELGADO PARKER .- Yes, I was at that time (unintelligible), but we were not. But it is a very beautiful, very beautiful.
MONTESINOS .- All Mallorca is beautiful.
DELGADO PARKER .- my grandfather went there a while because when the war with Chile was my grandfather decided to leave Lima, asked permission to go to General Lynch, he sailed with my grandfather boy and went to Palma, lived there. My grandfather spoke Majorcan, which is a sort of Catalan (unintelligible).
Well, then, many thanks for this solution. And does this matter?
MONTESINOS .- That we will see tomorrow. DELGADO PARKER
.- Look what's going to do, that the trial is allowed except Trazegnies. That's all you're looking for what they want is not opinion, it is agreed and then I with that I have a weapon of negotiation with Schultz to sit with him and I recognize my percentage, I think I'm not going to mind because I am not asking anything of him, I am asking what is mine no more. I know he bought the shares lejitimamente, but it would also be nice if you help me on that.
MONTESINOS .- This is a with Schultz right? DELGADO PARKER
.- Ah?
MONTESINOS .- This is a trial by Schultz. Schultz good with no ...
JOY WAY .- With the company. DELGADO PARKER
.- It is with American.
JOY WAY .- Is this what is it, what for your 40%?
DELGADO PARKER .- For my 40%. Is that when I parted with Carmen, we separated, I made two sets of everything he had and said, "You choose." I even said "I want this" "I want the house," 'I want' I want American actions and stayed with the stock. So I'm defending something that is not mine, but it's something my wife and my children, or my ex-wife and my children.
So that I have to defend it, then, because they are things that I promised to give, and I have given but are in my name, I could not change their name because it is in dispute. So I have to go with (unintelligible) even though there is (unintelligible) in which public We do not separate property.
MONTESINOS .- Sure.
DELGADO PARKER .- No?
MONTESINOS .- But one can not (unintelligible). DELGADO PARKER
.- So I want to save this mess. And any, accordingly. Trazegnies told me that I have every right and he thinks I can win this award. Of course, now (unintelligible). MONTESINOS
Trazegnies .- But the chancellor, has much influence.
(Laughter.)
DELGADO PARKER .- Yes, well, but you that's the owner. You are more than Higaonna in Customs.
(Laughter.) Here
we are throwing stick eh?
MONTESINOS .- Tomorrow we're communicating.
DELGADO PARKER .- Do you want to come tomorrow? I loved it.
MONTESINOS .- Let the time you (unintelligible). But I have your phone.
DELGADO PARKER .- I leave it here. See if you have a lapicerito.
(Laughter.)
JOYWAY-(unintelligible) numbers, this time.
MONTESINOS .- So, tomorrow we to explain on this point and to document and view (17) Case Hildebrandt, (unintelligible) once you are informed.
DELGADO PARKER .- With that for me already.
MONTESINOS .- Perfect.
DELGADO PARKER .- You tell me what you need, I have explained more or less like (unintelligible), there is no problem.
Doctor, has been a pleasure to see you again.
MONTESINOS .- Likewise.
DELGADO PARKER. - and then resume our good relations as they were, as they had been and as always will be.
MONTESINOS .- Yes. As we said (unintelligible)
DELGADO PARKER .- Yes, well. Indeed there was a slight cooling and nothing else.
JOY WAY ROJAS .- Chau, brother.
"Mr. Vladimiro Montesinos came to the door to fire Victor Joy Way Rojas and Mr. Genaro Delgado Parker.
-Fin video.
transcription-Date: 02/22/2001.
* Published in the newspaper Liberation, Lima February 23, 2001, pages 10-15.
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